Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/28/2006 05:00 PM Senate COMMITTEE ON UNIVERSITY OVERSIGHT


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05:11:34 PM Overview: National Education Trends -national Conference of State Legislatures
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
        SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON UNIVERSITY OVERSIGHT                                                                      
                       February 28, 2006                                                                                        
                           5:11 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Ralph Seekins, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Con Bunde                                                                                                               
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: National Education Trends - Julie Bell, National                                                                      
Conference of State Legislatures                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
See minutes from 2/7/06 SUOV meetings                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Julie Bell, Education Program Director                                                                                          
National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL)                                                                                
7700 East First Place                                                                                                           
Denver, CO 80230                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented overview: "National Education                                                                  
Trends"                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Wendy Redman, Vice President                                                                                                    
University Relations                                                                                                            
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
P.O. Box 755000                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, AK 99775                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided UA information related to the NCSL                                                              
overview                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Pat Pitney, Associate Vice President                                                                                            
Planning & Budget Development                                                                                                 
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
P.O. Box 755000                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, AK 99775                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided  information related  UA retention                                                             
rates                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mark Hamilton, President                                                                                                        
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
P.O. Box 755000                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, AK 99775                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on  NCSL overview as it relates to                                                             
UA                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY  STEVENS  called  the  Senate  Special  Committee  On                                                             
University  Oversight meeting  to  order at  5:11:15 PM.  Present                                                             
were Senators Con Bunde, Lyman Hoffman and Chair Gary Stevens.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  ^Overview: National Education Trends -National Conference of                                                              
                       State Legislatures                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:11:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS announced the  committee would hear from Julie                                                               
Bell who is with the National Conference of State Legislatures.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE mentioned that he  would like to discuss the Alaska                                                               
Scholars Program at a future meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS agreed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JULIE BELL,  Education Program  Director, National  Conference of                                                               
State  Legislatures  (NCSL),  opened her  presentation  with  the                                                               
observation that  Alaska isn't alone in  reviewing issues related                                                               
to  postsecondary education  including  the relationship  between                                                               
the state and its institutions of higher education.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the education  program at NCSL has  12 people                                                               
who work  on the  same education issues  that the  Legislature is                                                               
currently  evaluating.  That  includes  the  spectrum  of  issues                                                               
related to school readiness, the  K-12 system, postsecondary, and                                                               
adult education/workforce  development. In addition she  said she                                                               
serves as the NCSL policy expert on higher education issues.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL advised  that her  immediate purpose  was to  suggest a                                                               
framework for the work that the  committee is doing and she would                                                               
focus on  broad fundamental objectives of  state higher education                                                               
policy and briefly review how Alaska is doing.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She suggested that  the next step would be  for committee members                                                               
to discuss  the findings with  the higher education  community to                                                               
get a  full picture  of Alaska's  performance. Clearly,  she said                                                               
there  historical, political  and  other factors  that make  each                                                               
state different and therefore influence the outcomes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL  mentioned the three  resources she had  provided, which                                                               
would  give  background information  as  well  as specific  data.                                                               
Included  were  "Investment  in State  Postsecondary  Education,"                                                               
"Measuring up 2004 - The State  Report Card on Higher Education -                                                               
Alaska," and  the NCSL PowerPoint  presentation "A  Framework for                                                               
Evaluating Higher Education Performance in Alaska."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:17:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL  began  the PowerPoint  presentation  saying  that  the                                                               
following  data explain  why state  legislatures  are taking  the                                                               
time  to  understand  how  higher  education  is  performing  and                                                               
thinking about  what policy reforms might  be necessary. Clearly,                                                               
investment in  higher education benefits  individuals as  well as                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Slide: The Importance of Higher Education                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · The annual income of a worker with a bachelor's degree (BA)                                                                
     averages 80 percent higher than that of a high school                                                                      
     graduate.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   · Over a lifetime, the gap in earnings between those with a                                                                  
     high school diploma and a BA or higher, exceeds $1 million.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Slide: The Importance of Higher Education                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · The demographic distribution of who goes to college and who                                                                
     doesn't  is  not  equal.  Only 54  percent  of  high  school                                                               
     graduates from the lowest income  families enroll in college                                                               
     compared to 82 percent of  those with family incomes of more                                                               
     than $86,000.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL said the data clearly  indicates the need to reach lower                                                               
income   students  to   support  successful   access  to   higher                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:19:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Seekins joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide: The Importance of Higher Education                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Education pays:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · College graduates earn more and pay more taxes than high                                                                   
     school graduates.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE interjected that isn't the case in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL clarified  that the  RAND Organization  data has  shown                                                               
that each  dollar spent equalizing college  entrance rates across                                                               
racial  and ethnic  groups saves  the public  between $2  and $3.                                                               
It's a combination of reduced  expenditure and increased revenue,                                                               
which leads to the second point on the slide.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · College graduates are more financially independent and they                                                                
     rely on public services and subsidies to a lesser extent.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   · College graduates have higher levels of civic participation                                                                
     than high school graduates.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:22:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Six Dimensions for Evaluating State Higher Education                                                                   
Policy                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · Preparation                                                                                                                
   · Participation                                                                                                              
   · Affordability                                                                                                              
   · Completion                                                                                                                 
   · Benefits                                                                                                                   
   · Learning.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Caveats                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · The framework isn't perfect. It's intended to spark a                                                                      
     different context for conversations about higher education                                                                 
     policy.                                                                                                                    
   · Categories are not independent of each other but                                                                           
     interrelated.                                                                                                              
   · Alaska has unique characteristics.                                                                                         
   · More money isn't the solution - better use of money is a                                                                   
     better solution.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Preparation                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     How well prepared are eighth school students to enter                                                                      
     college or other post-secondary activities?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Indicators used in Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                      
          The degree to which students are enrolled in                                                                          
         challenging     high      school     courses,                                                                          
          particularly math and science.                                                                                        
          Scores on national and state assessments.                                                                             
          Participation in college entrance exams and                                                                           
          advanced placement exams.                                                                                             
          The number of high quality teachers teaching                                                                          
          in their major in the K-12 system.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Measuring Up 2004 gives Alaska a B- grade for preparation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Strengths:                                                                                                      
        Compared with other states, Alaska's eighth                                                                             
        graders perform well on national assessments in                                                                         
        math.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        Alaska performs well in terms of  the number of                                                                         
        students taught by well-qualified teachers. The                                                                         
        state's  improvement   on   this  measure   has                                                                         
        outpaced other states in the last decade.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Weaknesses:                                                                                                     
        Low-income  eighth  graders  perform  very                                                                              
        poorly on  national  assessments in  math.                                                                              
        Alaska has shown a  substantial decline on                                                                              
        this measure in the  last decade according                                                                              
        to national trends.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL reviewed the following Graded Information and Key Facts                                                                
on page 5 of Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     · Extremely small proportions of 11th and 12th graders                                                                     
        score well on advanced placement tests, but a fairly                                                                    
        large proportion score well on college entrance exams.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     · Among young adults, 11 percent receive a General                                                                         
        Education Development (GED) diploma rather than a high                                                                  
        school diploma. That is the highest percentage in the                                                                   
        nation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:28:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS referenced the Change in Graded Measures from                                                                
page 5 and commented it's an interesting dichotomy that both of                                                                 
the following are happening at the same time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · The percentage of low-income eighth graders performing well                                                                
     on national assessments in math has declined substantially                                                                 
     in the last decade.                                                                                                        
   · In the same period, the percentage of secondary school                                                                     
     students taught by qualified teachers has increased                                                                        
     substantially.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL agreed it's an interesting observation that bears                                                                      
further scrutiny.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS reviewed SAT/ACT scores under K-12 Student                                                                   
Achievement on page 5 and remarked there is a stark difference                                                                  
between Alaska scores and those from the top states.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:30:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL moved to the second dimension.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Participation                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Do residents of all ages have sufficient                                                                                   
     opportunity to enroll in education and training                                                                            
     beyond high school?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Indicators used in Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                      
          The rate that high school students                                                                                    
          continue on to college                                                                                                
          Enrollment levels of traditional aged                                                                                 
          college students                                                                                                      
          Enrollment   levels    of   working-aged                                                                              
          (adult) students.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Measuring Up 2004 gives Alaska a C grade for preparation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Strengths:                                                                                                      
          A  fairly  large  percentage  of  working-age                                                                         
          adults  are  currently  enrolled  in  college                                                                         
          part-time.  However, in  the  last ten  years                                                                         
          Alaska has  experienced the  steepest decline                                                                         
          in the nation on this measure.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Weaknesses:                                                                                                     
          The likelihood of  ninth graders enrolling in                                                                         
          college  within four  years has  dropped more                                                                         
          than the national decline.  The reason is the                                                                         
          decrease  in   the  percentage   of  students                                                                         
          graduating from high school.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Slide: The Alaska Student Pipeline                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The information is from the "Policy Alert Supplement" by the                                                                    
National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · In Alaska, for every 100 ninth grade students:                                                                             
        · 61 students graduate four years later. The                                                                            
          national average is 68  students, but the top                                                                         
          performing state has 90  of 100 ninth graders                                                                         
          graduating.                                                                                                           
        · 30 students enter college immediately. The                                                                            
          national   average   is   40  and   the   top                                                                         
          performing  state  has 60  students  entering                                                                         
          immediately.                                                                                                          
        · Alaska data isn't available for how many                                                                              
          students  are still  enrolled in  college the                                                                         
          second year,  but the national average  is 27                                                                         
          and the top performing state has 44.                                                                                  
        · 12   students   graduate   with   either   an                                                                         
          associate's  degree within  three years  or a                                                                         
          bachelor's degree within  six years. [UA data                                                                         
          indicates  that number  is closer  to six  or                                                                         
          eight students.]                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE asked where retention information comes from for                                                                  
other states.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL responded she didn't know why Alaska information isn't                                                                 
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS advised that the University of Alaska (UA)                                                                   
representative had that information.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:34:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  PITNEY,  Associate  Vice  President  of  Planning  &  Budget                                                               
Development  for  the University  of  Alaska,  reported that  the                                                               
number is  17. The  retention rate  for first  year baccalaureate                                                               
degree students is about 70 percent  and just over 50 percent for                                                               
associate degree students. She explained  that the information is                                                               
readily available; UA just doesn't  happen to participate in that                                                               
particular test vender survey of the ACT.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY STEVENS  expressed confidence  that UA  could provide                                                               
any information that isn't available in the report.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE asked if the final  figure means that 12 out of the                                                               
30  immediately entering  students  ultimately  graduate with  an                                                               
associate or bachelor's degree.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. PITNEY said yes, but  the numbers are overstated; it's closer                                                               
to 6 or 8 students rather than 12.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE noted  that the  data tracks  traditional students                                                               
who enter  college right  out of  high school,  but Alaska  has a                                                               
great  number  of  non-traditional  students. He  asked  for  the                                                               
graduation rate for all students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. PITNEY responded that number  is relatively arbitrary because                                                               
part-time  students can  take  eight years  to  complete a  four-                                                               
semester degree, but  the number of people who  start classes and                                                               
then actually complete a degree is significantly lower.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS  mentioned that Alaska is unique  in that many                                                               
people take the long-term path to complete a bachelor's degree.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BELL  reiterated   the  point   that  thinking   about  the                                                               
information  in  terms  of  a  student  pipeline  is  helpful  in                                                               
determining where the state is  losing students and what policies                                                               
could be targeted to those particular points.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS read the Change  in Graded Measures on page 7,                                                               
which  says that  the percentage  of working-age  adults enrolled                                                               
part-time in college-level education  or training has declined by                                                               
29 percent and  stands as the largest decline in  the nation over                                                               
the past  decade. That  figure is  remarkable and  pops out  as a                                                               
major  issue,   he  said.  Although  the   university  should  be                                                               
congratulated  for bringing  more  recent  high school  graduates                                                               
into  the system,  he questioned  whether  something hadn't  been                                                               
lost in the transition.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He noted that in Alaska 1,680  more students leave the state than                                                               
enter to  attend college. Also,  about 40 percent of  Alaska high                                                               
school graduates  who go to  college attend school out  of state.                                                               
He asked Ms. Bell to comment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL acknowledged  the number of students  leaving stands out                                                               
as a particular  issue. She suggested it would  be interesting to                                                               
know the return rate after graduation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  commented he would  like to know more  than just                                                               
the raw numbers about the trend for students going out of state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS agreed  that would  be interesting,  as would                                                               
information  about the  impact that  the Alaska  Scholars Program                                                               
has had on that number.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL presented the third dimension.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Affordability                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      How affordable higher education is for students and                                                                       
     families?                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Indicators used in Measuring Up 2004 Report:                                                                               
          Tuition  levels  relative  to  family  income                                                                         
          levels.                                                                                                               
          Availability of need-based financial aid                                                                              
          Levels of student debt.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Measuring Up 2004 gives Alaska an F for affordability.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Most states scored  poorly in this dimension, Ms.  Bell said. The                                                               
review  points include  tuition level  relative to  family income                                                               
level, need-based financial aid, and levels of student debt.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Strengths:                                                                                                      
          None listed                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Weaknesses:                                                                                                     
          Net college  costs for low and  middle income                                                                         
          students to attend  public four-year colleges                                                                         
          and universities  represent about a  third of                                                                         
          their   annual  income.   These  institutions                                                                         
          enroll  over 90  percent of  students in  the                                                                         
          state.  Net  college   costs  equal  tuition,                                                                         
          room, and board minus financial aid.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:44:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  referenced Alaska community college  and public 4-                                                               
year college/university  affordability percentages on page  8 and                                                               
asked what 20 percent and 21 percent means.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL  explained it's  the percent of  family income,  for all                                                               
income groups, that's needed to pay for college expenses.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  directed attention  to a  chart on  page 1  of the                                                               
"Investment  in State  Postsecondary  Education" indicating  that                                                               
tuition in  Alaska is lower  than the national average.  He asked                                                               
how that correlates with the information just given.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL responded it's a different  picture when you look at the                                                               
percent of family income that it takes to pay for college.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  remarked Alaska would  always get an F  because it                                                               
costs more to live here.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL said that's a fair comment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS recapped in  Alaska it takes  about one-fifth                                                               
of a family's income to pay for college.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL  said yes that's true  overall, but page 9  of Measuring                                                               
Up 2004  shows a  different picture because  it breaks  out costs                                                               
according  to different  income levels.  According to  that data,                                                               
families in  the lowest  income bracket pay  50 percent  of their                                                               
income  to attend  a public  4-year college  or university.  That                                                               
contrasts sharply with the highest  income families that use just                                                               
7 percent  of their income to  pay net college costs.  It clearly                                                               
indicates  that the  burden is  on the  lower income  population.                                                               
That's the  power of looking  at the numbers when  they're broken                                                               
down opposed to the overall average given on page 8, she said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:48:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  questioned whether  she was  characterizing that                                                               
as  a  barrier to  going  to  college  because  the state  has  a                                                               
generous student loan program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL responded  she  views that  as  a significant  barrier.                                                               
Although Alaska has  a generous loan program  many families can't                                                               
afford  loans.  She  suggested   that  need-based  financial  aid                                                               
impacts that population more than loans.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY  STEVENS referenced  page  8  and noted  that  Alaska                                                               
hasn't invested  in need-based financial  aid in the  past decade                                                               
and doesn't offer low-priced college  opportunities. He said it'd                                                               
be interesting to find out more about that.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL  advised that Alaska  isn't the only state  facing tough                                                               
issues related to affordability for students.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Trends in Affordability                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · States have decreased the share of higher education funding                                                                
     in state budgets.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   · Tuition has increased significantly and in part as a                                                                       
     response to decreased state budgets for higher education.                                                                  
     In the ten-year period that ended in 2004 and 2005 tuition                                                                 
     and fees at public four-year colleges rose 61 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · More students are borrowing more money. Nearly 64 percent                                                                  
     of the bachelor degree recipients  have had to borrow to pay                                                               
     for college  compared to  49 percent a  decade ago.  In 2004                                                               
     Alaska  students who  received  a bachelor's  degree had  an                                                               
     averaged of $3,300 in loans.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · States are putting more money into merit-based financial                                                                   
     aid instead of need-based aid.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   · Lower income students are increasingly being priced out of                                                                 
     college.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY  STEVENS  noted  that   the  Governor  has  suggested                                                               
increasing  to   15  percent  the  program   giving  the  highest                                                               
achieving high school students free  tuition at UA campuses. With                                                               
that in mind, he  said he'd like to hear from UA  on the topic of                                                               
need-based versus merit-based financial aid.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL commented  it's important  to reward  merit, but  those                                                               
scholarships do draw money away from need-based aid.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  asked if  the Alaska  Scholars Program  figures in                                                               
affordability.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS responded it  probably would because a variety                                                               
of family income groups would be represented in the program.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL said she wasn't prepared  to respond, but she would give                                                               
it some thought.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:55:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE asked if the university had a response.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WENDY  REDMAN, Vice  President of  University  Relations for  the                                                               
University of  Alaska, advised that  the Alaska  Scholars Program                                                               
is  privately  funded  so  that data  wouldn't  be  reflected  in                                                               
Measuring Up 2004.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   BUNDE  asked   how  many   UA  students   attend  under                                                               
scholarship.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. PITNEY  replied about 450  come in each year.  1,600 students                                                               
have  come in  on  the  Alaska Scholars  Program  and are  either                                                               
finishing a degree or working on a graduate degree.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. REDMAN  reminded members that  many states received an  F for                                                               
affordability. When  the study  was done  there wasn't  any money                                                               
for  need-based financial  aid  in Alaska.  Last  year the  state                                                               
invested $550,000  and the Governor is  proposing another million                                                               
this year in need-based aid.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS said he'd  like to discuss the Alaska Scholars                                                               
Program at some point.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. REDMAN offered  to do a complete survey at  some point. Those                                                               
students  are tracked  into jobs  and it's  known that  almost 90                                                               
percent of the Alaska Scholars  are working and living in Alaska.                                                               
It's also  known that more  than 80  percent of the  students who                                                               
leave the state to attend college never return.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL presented the next dimension.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Completion                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
         Do students progress toward and complete their                                                                         
     certificates and degrees in a timely manner?                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Indicators used in Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                      
            The degree to which students return year                                                                            
          after year (persistence).                                                                                             
           Completion of bachelors' degrees within 5                                                                            
          and 6 years.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Measuring Up 2004 gives Alaska an F for completion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Strengths:                                                                                                      
          None listed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Weaknesses:                                                                                                     
          Compared with other  states, a low percentage                                                                         
          of  first-time,  full-time  students  earn  a                                                                         
          bachelor's   degree  within   six  years   of                                                                         
          enrolling in college.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          A very small proportion of students complete                                                                          
            certificates and degrees relative to the                                                                            
          number enrolled.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY STEVENS  questioned  whether the  UA open  admissions                                                               
policy is unusual when compared to other states.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL said she was unclear  about how Alaska considers an open                                                               
admission policy and how it might impact students.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. REDMAN explained  that 15 years ago the  University of Alaska                                                               
merged  its community  colleges  and universities  into a  single                                                               
system. In  that process open  community college  type admittance                                                               
was  instituted   for  all  campuses.   That  policy   skews  the                                                               
comparative  data,  but  Alaska  completion rates  would  be  low                                                               
compared  to  national  averages  in  any  event.  However,  when                                                               
comparable university  programs are analyzed the  data looks very                                                               
different.  She  acknowledged that  it's  an  unusual and  unique                                                               
model.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS emphasized it's an important consideration.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS said  if not  completing a  program in  a timely                                                               
manner is viewed  as a negative, then that must  be balanced with                                                               
the fact that the system allows  open entry over a long period to                                                               
provide  opportunity  for  people  to work  toward  a  degree  or                                                               
further training in their particular job skill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS asked that  the university review  the report                                                               
and make an effort to provide any data to fill in blank spots.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REDMAN agreed  to do  so then  referencing Senator  Seekins'                                                               
last comment, she added the  university has a unique situation in                                                               
that few students are there because it's an easy lifestyle.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL presented the next dimension.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Benefits                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      What benefits does the state receive as a result of                                                                       
     having a highly educated population?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The indicators used in Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                  
          Number of adults with bachelors and advanced                                                                          
          degrees.                                                                                                              
             Percent of the population that votes,                                                                              
            contributes to charity, and other public                                                                            
          activities.                                                                                                           
          Adult literacy rates.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Measuring Up 2004 gives Alaska a B for benefits.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Strengths:                                                                                                      
           The state scored well in all the foregoing                                                                           
          indicators.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Weaknesses:                                                                                                     
           Over the past decade, the gap has widened                                                                            
          between whites and minority ethnic groups in                                                                          
          the percentage who have a bachelor's degree.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She noted that on page 11  of Measuring Up 2004 under the section                                                               
labeled Other  Key Facts it  says that  if all ethnic  groups had                                                               
the  same educational  attainment and  earnings as  whites, total                                                               
personal income in the state  would be about $802 million higher,                                                               
and the state would realize  about $281 million in additional tax                                                               
revenues.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY STEVENS  remarked there  is  no state  income tax  in                                                               
Alaska,  but the  disparity between  ethnic groups  is a  telling                                                               
issue that the committee would come back to.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:08:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Learning                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         How well are students learning in their higher                                                                         
     education experience?                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Indicators used in Measuring Up 2004:                                                                                      
          No adequate indicators.                                                                                               
          Potential indicators  include literacy levels                                                                         
          of  adult  residents,   graduates  ready  for                                                                         
          advanced  practice,  performance  of  college                                                                         
          graduates.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Measuring  Up  2004   gives  Alaska  and  all   other  states  an                                                               
incomplete because  states aren't  measuring this  indicator well                                                               
enough to know how they're doing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Some  states  are  beginning  to  collect  information  on  adult                                                               
literacy, graduates ready for  advanced practice, and performance                                                               
of college  graduates. The  point is  that learning  is important                                                               
and  states aren't  collecting  adequate data  to  know how  well                                                               
they're doing.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE mentioned rigorous teacher preparation tests.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REDMAN responded  accrediting  agencies  are requiring  more                                                               
learning   assessments.  UA   tracks   on   licensures  for   all                                                               
professional students so it has good data on how that's working.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE mentioned recent news  articles related to "dumbing                                                               
down"  of  college  graduates  and  asked  if  other  states  are                                                               
similarly charged.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BELL responded that could be a future conversation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:12:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide: Next Steps                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   · Use the information to ask more questions and get more                                                                     
     data.                                                                                                                      
   · Talk with the higher education community to uncover the                                                                    
     story behind the numbers. That's the benefit of using the                                                                  
     Measuring Up 2004 report and thinking about the framework.                                                                 
   · Identify together the fundamental state priorities for                                                                     
     higher education. Ask which dimensions Alaska wants to                                                                     
     tackle.                                                                                                                    
   · After that conversation you can talk about specific policy                                                                 
     approaches to obtain those objectives.                                                                                     
   · Learn about policy approaches that are working in other                                                                    
     states and institutions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:15:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE questioned  whether  older  students are  factored                                                               
into  the completion  equation because  many  in that  population                                                               
aren't on a degree path.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BELL agreed  that data  for traditional  and non-traditional                                                               
students  should   be  accounted  for  separately   because  non-                                                               
traditional  students   are  an   important  segment   of  higher                                                               
education users.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY  STEVENS  asked  President Hamilton  if  he  had  any                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:17:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  HAMILTON, President  of the  University  of Alaska,  stated                                                               
that he looks forward to the  continuing dialog. He noted that UA                                                               
had  continued with  the missions  and measures  even though  the                                                               
legislative  requirement had  been dropped  so the  sort of  data                                                               
that was under discussion was readily available.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. REDMAN suggested  that the policy questions listed  on page 4                                                               
of  Measuring  Up  2004  would provide  a  guide  for  productive                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS thanked the participants.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Gary Stevens adjourned the meeting at 6:20:02 PM.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

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